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Art Ellis's avatar

We (Art and Marianne Ellis) loved your podcast. We visited South Africa in 2005 and had a wonderful trip. But two months, is there enough to occupy you for two months?

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Christopher Elliott's avatar

Thanks, Art and Marianne. You can easily spend a month in Cape Town. We are hoping to get out of the country for a few days before leaving Africa. I'll keep you posted.

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Tim's avatar

Interesting podcast. It was entertaining and does make me think I do want to go to South Africa once I get the chance to head to Africa.

A suggestion: the three of you have similar voices, so it would help the listener if you say the name of the person you ask the question to (e.g., "Iden, what did you think of..." instead of "what did you think of..."). I know that is a hard habit to get in to, but it helps--at least helps listeners like me.

Also, that painting, "Eating People Isn't Always Wrong" may have a sinister background, if I am remembering correctly. I believe it was in South Africa over that last several years, groups of Blacks would find White farmers and kill them. Yes, I think it was because many farms took over land without fair compensation, but murder is wrong--especially if the victims are several generations away from the farms starting. If what I am thinking happened in another African country, please ignore this and accept my apology.

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Christopher Elliott's avatar

Thanks for the helpful feedback, Tim. I'm going to try IDing the voices better on the next one. Three-way interviews are hard, especially when it's your kids. On the subject of the art, I'm not sure about the origin of the painting. I'll have to ask.

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Tim's avatar

You are welcome. I know it is hard with IDing those you are talking with--especially family.

If you find out about the origin of the painting, please share.

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SheShallConquer's avatar

Here's a better review with sources and contextual information. For instance, the phrase is taken from a newspaper article written in The Times.

https://artthrob.co.za/2022/01/03/ingestion-and-structural-antagonisms-johannes-phokelas-only-sun-in-the-sky-knows-how-i-feel-a-lucid-dream/

I'd recommend next time going through the museum with the guided commentary provided by the museum if you're feeling a bit confused about the artwork.

https://soundcloud.com/zeitzmocaa/johannes-phokela-stop-3-1?in=zeitzmocaa/sets/only-sun-in-the-sky-knows-how

The title of the work "South Pacific Seascapes, 2015" gives a bit of a clue.

For extra credit, here's an interview with the artist, Johannes Phokela: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMk4H9M1GaE

3:56 in the video below is commentary by the artist on the painting in question...

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